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We live and perform in Austin as well and Ally is correct. Austin is saturated with musicians therefore the pay is low and there are high expectations from the majority of the venues.

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James HalifkoThis happened to my band over the summer. New venue, new owners. We brought 40 fans that stayed all night, spent money and had a great time.

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I particularly like the self-hosted shows idea. Depending on your locale there are plenty of arts-type spaces that will rent cheaply for a night.

Hell, do basement shows if you have to. Rent a friend's warehouse space. There are many out-of-the-box ideas if you rack your brain a few minutes.